depfile ban

[vgfan]

The point is that depfile does not seem to care about uploaders messing around on a platform that is otherwise friendly towards that file host.

They won't get banned for having bad uploaders. They are going to get banned for not doing anything about those uploaders.

VG requires that links in the NN Section to external sites conform to the NN rules. Which is why [...] (and many others) was required to remove his link to his site. He allows models under 13, allows sets with nudity, slips, etc.

If DepFile allows under age material the that alone should be enough of a reason to ban them. Should VG help a site that host/distributes under age/CP earn money?

If DepFile isn't willing to self police there content and it becomes an issue, like it has here, why shouldn't they be banned?

[cblknittights]

Regarding non-nude and models aged 13-17: we do not allow any nudity, inappropriate sexual poses or content of models of whom is known were forced into the business. We also remove all content shot by webmasters who were prosecuted or are tied to distributing and/or producing underage pornography. What is left is rather tame non-nude material no longer causing any problems. It is safe to say you can browse NN material safely on VG but it definitely is not on most other websites with NN material.

While the NN section on VG only accounts for 15% of its total traffic, the section in itself is more popular than most dedicated NN forums. That comes with a certain responsibility and that comes in the form of cooperating with agencies battling the distribution of CSAM (child sexual abuse material). If you want to be safe and post NN material elsewhere, follow the non-nude rules on VG. They are proofed. This may come as a surprise but I can state for a fact there are numerous NN websites and forums acting as honey pots. Do yourself a favor and stick to moderated and controlled environments like ViperGirls.

"...and by the LAWS in THE US..." I specifically asked Mods and members if everything and anything as far as the content on this site was now legal in the US under the new rules and site content purge and I was given a unanimous YES in discussion. Were you merely exaggerating due to strong personal feelings about those galleries that are still present right now or was it that I was given incorrect assurances by those Mods and members for reasons unknown?

I am going to tell you all right now, 100% if I wanted to, 90%+ of the posts in the "non nude" forum would end up as violations of the law in the US AND MY STATE. I don't want to go to deep into this, but I do know a thing or two about these laws. And I can tell you that specifically that cases have and are pending in my area regarding content like that. My local "media darling" LEO loves to seek this crap out. Hell they've even worked hard to run out legal nude modelling in the area.

Don't matter if they are "non nude" or not. It is the content in and of itself. Poses, clothing or lack there of, and the AGE of the "model." And its really not relevant whether or not there is "permission" the mere creation of that content in some jurisdictions is illegal. You can't give permission to make something illegal.

Trust me, after taking over the curation of IHG, I've seen plenty of filth that tries to get past our rules. IHG is strictly 16+ for non nude. The posts are reviewed, and many are rejected especially when I start seeing those euphemisms of "models, angles, dolls," etc.. That is the clue, REJECTED!


Now, PERSONALLY, I also vehemently disagree, with 98% of the content in that section. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE a NON NUDE SECTION with 16+ or better. There is a huge, HUGE difference between a US "high school" aged girl and those under 16, and especially these 12-14. The eroticization and sexulation of these posts is just disgusting. In some cases the bodies of these 12-14's betray them. BUT when that is not the case, you are looking at some "girl" who barely is out of diapers is not appealing in the least. Its just disgusting. Again, PERSONALLY girls can do a lot and get a lot more EFFECT WITH THEIR CLOTHES ON! Yes, it has to be the RIGHT CLOTHES, but still theres a lot of room to go with this, and be non nude and create sets as good or better than even the nude ones here.

I really would love to see a REAL HONEST Non Nude section, and the "modeling, angels, dolls, silver" stuff either removed or compromise, in their own area. I can say the same thing about another area. This is ViperGIRLS. That's all the clue you get.

And hosts that trying to promote this should just be banned, as I voted. BUT I am also against file hosts anyway...

[hal9000]

I am going to tell you all right now, 100% if I wanted to, 90%+ of the posts in the "non nude" forum would end up as violations of the law in the US AND MY STATE. I don't want to go to deep into this, but I do know a thing or two about these laws. And I can tell you that specifically that cases have and are pending in my area regarding content like that. My local "media darling" LEO loves to seek this crap out. Hell they've even worked hard to run out legal nude modelling in the area.

Don't matter if they are "non nude" or not. It is the content in and of itself. Poses, clothing or lack there of, and the AGE of the "model." And its really not relevant whether or not there is "permission" the mere creation of that content in some jurisdictions is illegal. You can't give permission to make something illegal.

Trust me, after taking over the curation of IHG, I've seen plenty of filth that tries to get past our rules. IHG is strictly 16+ for non nude. The posts are reviewed, and many are rejected especially when I start seeing those euphemisms of "models, angles, dolls," etc.. That is the clue, REJECTED!


Now, PERSONALLY, I also vehemently disagree, with 98% of the content in that section. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE a NON NUDE SECTION with 16+ or better. There is a huge, HUGE difference between a US "high school" aged girl and those under 16, and especially these 12-14. The eroticization and sexulation of these posts is just disgusting. In some cases the bodies of these 12-14's betray them. BUT when that is not the case, you are looking at some "girl" who barely is out of diapers is not appealing in the least. Its just disgusting. Again, PERSONALLY girls can do a lot and get a lot more EFFECT WITH THEIR CLOTHES ON! Yes, it has to be the RIGHT CLOTHES, but still theres a lot of room to go with this, and be non nude and create sets as good or better than even the nude ones here.

I really would love to see a REAL HONEST Non Nude section, and the "modeling, angels, dolls, silver" stuff either removed or compromise, in their own area. I can say the same thing about another area. This is ViperGIRLS. That's all the clue you get.

And hosts that trying to promote this should just be banned, as I voted. BUT I am also against file hosts anyway...

The minimum age permitted here is 13. If I'm understanding you correctly, you are claiming to regularly see "eroticization and sexulation" posts of models younger than that here. You are reporting those, right?

[popp9]

I am going to tell you all right now, 100% if I wanted to, 90%+ of the posts in the "non nude" forum would end up as violations of the law in the US AND MY STATE. I don't want to go to deep into this, but I do know a thing or two about these laws. And I can tell you that specifically that cases have and are pending in my area regarding content like that. My local "media darling" LEO loves to seek this crap out. Hell they've even worked hard to run out legal nude modelling in the area.

Don't matter if they are "non nude" or not. It is the content in and of itself. Poses, clothing or lack there of, and the AGE of the "model." And its really not relevant whether or not there is "permission" the mere creation of that content in some jurisdictions is illegal. You can't give permission to make something illegal.

Trust me, after taking over the curation of IHG, I've seen plenty of filth that tries to get past our rules. IHG is strictly 16+ for non nude. The posts are reviewed, and many are rejected especially when I start seeing those euphemisms of "models, angles, dolls," etc.. That is the clue, REJECTED!


Now, PERSONALLY, I also vehemently disagree, with 98% of the content in that section. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE a NON NUDE SECTION with 16+ or better. There is a huge, HUGE difference between a US "high school" aged girl and those under 16, and especially these 12-14. The eroticization and sexulation of these posts is just disgusting. In some cases the bodies of these 12-14's betray them. BUT when that is not the case, you are looking at some "girl" who barely is out of diapers is not appealing in the least. Its just disgusting. Again, PERSONALLY girls can do a lot and get a lot more EFFECT WITH THEIR CLOTHES ON! Yes, it has to be the RIGHT CLOTHES, but still theres a lot of room to go with this, and be non nude and create sets as good or better than even the nude ones here.

I really would love to see a REAL HONEST Non Nude section, and the "modeling, angels, dolls, silver" stuff either removed or compromise, in their own area. I can say the same thing about another area. This is ViperGIRLS. That's all the clue you get.

And hosts that trying to promote this should just be banned, as I voted. BUT I am also against file hosts anyway...

Is there a thread or Pin where this has been or can be properly discussed?

I cannot be the only one with a genuine concern about these matters.

[wooder]

I had never even realized there was a non-nude section with girls younger than 18. Because I've never gone looking for non-nude stuff.
I guess one of my concerns would be, if somebody who really wants to screw me, and do me dirt, ever finds out that . . . hmmm . . . I sometimes go to:
"a porn board with girls as young as 13"
(which is, after all, EXACTLY how some adversary would describe it, in a deliberate and calculated effort to use innuendo to try to create a solid and on-target impression that I -- as in, ME . . . am into child porn . . .
well, if he did THAT, then it would be hard to argue against him, in an effective way, while also being entirely truthful.
Because this is, indeed -- and we all have to face up to this point squarely --

a porn board, with girls as young as 13 . . .

And, BTW, please, no haters, and no PM's.
If you've got something to say in response to this, then say it here, where everyone can see it.
Want to flame me? Go ahead. Just do it here, rather than in some PM.

[Akkeryn]

My musings on this topic:

Why do people visit a porn forum...?
Is it so they can check out next seasons
"must have" child accessories/fashion...?
Is it so they can instruct their kids/wards
on how best to make a few bucks out
of the "fashion industry"...?
Is it so they can reminisce on the vagaries
of changing kids fashions over the past years...?

I of course don't know everyones predilections,
although I would be surprised to learn that the
predominant reason people visit porn forums
is not to indulge to some level of sexual fantasy.

Whether models are clothed or unclothed,
posing in a provocative manner or not,
I would bet my last penny that the primary
reason folks visit porn forums is to indulge
in a fantasy of at least some sexual nature.
There is nothing wrong with that imo,
indeed there are many studies which show
amongst other factors that male masturbation
(for example) can reduce the incidence of
prostate cancer, reduce levels of stress,
improve hormonal balances etc.
I am sure there are benefits for the lady members
as well but won't presume to speak for them.

The issue, for me at least, is the sexualization
of underage persons, be they male or female.

It can be argued that an 'innocent' kids clothing
catalogue can be "sexualized" in the hands of
a deviant; that material is prevalent and no-one
can control what another person fantasies about
(which is true).
Here at ViperGirls there are sections which allow
the portrayal of underage ie <18 models, and
whilst I personally dislike such areas I am not
decrying their existence as long as they are legal.
But lets not kid (sic) ourselves here - folks visiting
a porn forum are primarily seeking a sexual experience,
and posting any imagery of <18 year olds on a porn forum
is inviting "sexualisation" of these "models".

You must understand that this is MY OPINION and
not intended as a slight on this particular forum,
which I know is MUCH more stringent in applying
bans on actual child pornography and overtly
sexualised imagery of children than many other
adult forums, which have specific "kids zones" etc.

Anyway, the practical upshot of all this blag of mine
is rather simple - in my opinion any hosting body
which has little or no actual desire to curtail or remove
c/p and/or censure its clientele from continually posting it
should be banned forthrightly.

I have my opinions, as most other people have.
My opinion is that any <18 model material should
be hosted on a site independent of the main body
of ViperGirls forum. Then those folks who wish to
ogle children can remain separate from those folks
who wish to interact on an ADULT site.

But as I have previously stated, that is my opinion.

[Verdegris]

An increasing number of uploaders seem to be using depfile to repeatedly spam the same content over and over. This has been going on for a while so depfile was contacted but they do not seem to particularly care. I do not think vipergirls.to has sufficient weight or importance with them either so my options as this forum's representative are limited. Hosts such as keep2share and rapidgator seem to have a much better attitude in this regard.



Which is bullshit as they can just lock the spammers account or at the very least send the uploader a polite message to respect any incurred ban on the forum they're posting on.

So I'm planning to ban depfile and give them a double dose of . If anyone else thinks they can get through to depfile, feel free to try and report here. Otherwise they'll get banned within a few days.

as usual things have gotten off-topic here ~ the above is V's original statement

[Akkeryn]

as usual things have gotten off-topic here ~ the above is V's original statement

1) Discuss - vt to examine in detail in speech or writing;
to talk or argue about in conversation; to debate

2) Opinion - n what seems to one to be probably true;
judgement; estimation

3) if V had intended a poll based solely on 1 (one)
item of choice, why introduce a multiple choice
option including points not immediately salient
to the intrinsic query...?

A "discussion" is not absolute in its parameters

[Andrea]

I'll just make 2 brief points here.

1) Do we know that depfile is the only file host which carries questionable content? It is a decent host for free users, and certainly one of the better ones on that score.

2) As for the other discussion here, I've long been an advocate for making this a strictly 18+ board, hence removing the NN section altogether (or farming it out to a separate board which has been mooted in the past). I know of many good members here who come for the adult erotica and admit to being uncomfortable that images of sexually immature girls can be accessed here.

[Niterider69]

I have not found any file on depfile I can download, they are all premium only. Trying to force you to buy a premium account to download should be reason enough to ban them.

[Verdegris]

I have not found any file on depfile I can download, they are all premium only. Trying to force you to buy a premium account to download should be reason enough to ban them.

the file and image hosts are not responsible for the links posted in this forum - posts are made by individuals, some of whom are causing issues by posting the same thing over and again - this was the opening issue of this discussion thread.

the underage issue and its Non-Nude umbrella arose in this thread due to a widely held perception that some hosts turn a blind eye to the legality and/or suitability of content uploaded to them.

it is worth remembering that almost all the material posted on the forum breaks copyright laws - so by extension downloading through this forum is illegal

good reasons to ban hosts: excessive pop-ups - frequent malware hits - poor file retentions

good reasons to ban members/users: repeat posting of same material (spamming) - posting material of an inappropriate, offensive or illegal nature - (and IMHO) only posting premium links

however deciding what is inappropriate, offensive or illegal is a delicate area - often baffling the highest courts and even changing over time as the tide of our social morality ebbs and flows.

we have a great management and moderator team here - let's trust them to maintain and guide this forum to remain the best of its kind through these "interesting" times.

regards
Verd

[Zarathos]

I'm sure many hosts have questionable content. Did you know a lot of the file hosts says no X material allowed in there terms and agreements?

But does it matter that depfile has CP stuff. I mean it matters but as long as no one is posting links to them, they cant be accessed, from here.

But if one is abusing a file host, then that user should be banned, not the file host. As it is, depfile is usually a pretty good host. One of the better ones for both free and premium users. While a lot of hosts that we allow cater to just premium users as far as quality and then some just suck. Like rapidgator, whether you're paying for it or not.

[Andrea]

But does it matter that depfile has CP stuff. I mean it matters but as long as no one is posting links to them, they cant be accessed, from here.

The sites that are providing the links to questionable content are the ones that need rooting out, but that is the task for someone else, not the admins of this forum.

Just saying.

[UzareLuzare]

The only issue I see with depfile is some posters reporting material from any number of other filehosts, and then placing that exact material behind a depfile premium link. Most of us are aware from other chans that new material also often quickly disappears, only to reappear soon after with a link to a common fileshare site that is "not" depfile. Vipergirls bears a responsibility for the material whose links are posted on their site. I don't see any good coming from Vipergirls taking on the challenge of policing other sites.

This type of complaint or issue is not new, and when I come across it, I always refer back to the wisdom of Al Bundy, who stated that "he would complain about the quality of his cable signal if he wasn't stealing it in the first place." Knowing that is a good first step to keeping me off any nearby high horses.

[Nepenthe]

why would you download Child Porn ?

Why would you condone child porn?

Just to put this in proper perspective, the forum operator can face prosecution for having CP content. This is probably the single, most important task that forum operators have (V, or me back when I had a forum) which is to police the forum's content to ensure there is no CP posted. This also explains why the NN areas are so heavily covered by moderation. You have to KNOW that any images that appear on your forum came from sites that follow US/EU standards regarding model's age.

Rather than banning DP, I would prefer they be executed if they condone child pornography.