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    Re: IMX.to - support

    Would have been kind of good if image and gallery deletion had not been (intentionally?) programmed in a way where it's exceedingly inconvenient to remove any larger number of pics & galleries.

    On imgbox it took me maybe 20 minutes to delete hundreds of galleries. Check gallery to select, click delete, comfirm deletion, finished.

    Here it takes hours only to copy all gallery links.
    Also wonderful that the "creating a gallery" option has been flawed for a while so there are now thousands of "untitled galleries".



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    Re: IMX.to - support

    In the dashboard of my imx.to account I received this message today:

    Starting November 20, accounts with U18 material will be suspended. This is a result of us being ordered to implement PhotoDNA. If you'd like to continue using your account and earn money, you'll have to remove all U18 material. Payout requests for accounts with U18 material will be manually reviewed and in the case of a violation, you'll be given time to clean up your account. You can send links for removal to us directly (contact@imx.to). Accounts still serving identified U18 material by November 20 will have all content deleted by the end of November.

    So a link to "PhotoDNA" is provided: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/photodna which basically explains nothing at all. For users of the imx.to service, it is important to understand how PhotoDNA works and the chances of getting false positives or indeed missing real U18 material.

    Does this mean that every account holder will have to through every single image just in case microshite decides that one or other image is breaking the new rule?

    Does this mean that sets of models allowed on VG and posted in imx.to may be considered as U18 by microshite?

    I would like for the admin to clarify exactly what the relationship is between VG and imx.to and how exactly our members using this service are advised or required to act upon this notification.

    This is an important message which I shall be sending to the admin for a swift reply.

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    Re: IMX.to - support

    Probably the same as on VG years ago when we had to disable the under 18 non-nude content. If anyone's surprised, you've been sleeping.

    I warned you all in 2019 and 2021 that this was going to happen to hosting platforms. If you are still storing U18 material online which can be considered sexual exploitation of a minor (which like it or not, most of non-nude is for the law), get it deleted.


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    Re: IMX.to - support

    I don't have a lot of pictures on IMX, only 6000. But how will they know if I'm hosting U18 content or not? I have only adult models like Adriana Chechik, AJ Applegate, Chastity Lynn, but I didn't name my galleries. I'm just curious how they will go through thousand of pictures? They will use their PhotoDNA to find illegal images? It's what it says in their link. But if I upload new U18 material, that was never seen before, will they find it?

    PS : I have no intention to upload U18 content, just to be clear

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    Re: IMX.to - support

    They will use artificial intelligence.

    But look on the bright side. "Payout requests for accounts with U18 material will be manually reviewed". How do they know your account may have U18 material if they don't review it first? So they must review everything. As I understand it, do not request a payout if you don't want a review.
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    Oh no I wanted my $2.13

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    I was going to donate my $29,26 to VG, but not going to request it now.
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    Re: IMX.to - support

    Hi, I discovered yesterday that you get this when you download from IMX. See picture. Am I the only one getting this? I haven't had a problem with this before. This arrived yesterday. Tools - PaleMoon and latest IHG.


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    Re: IMX.to - support

    A 429 code typically means you've been hitting the server too hard. Limit your concurrent connections or ensure a time-out is set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V View Post
    A 429 code typically means you've been hitting the server too hard. Limit your concurrent connections or ensure a time-out is set.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike=)). View Post
    So a link to "PhotoDNA" is provided: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/photodna which basically explains nothing at all. For users of the imx.to service, it is important to understand how PhotoDNA works and the chances of getting false positives or indeed missing real U18 material.
    The webpage does give some basic idea of how the PhotoDNA system works, but it's deliberately vague so that it doesn't give more technically-minded folks out there any kind of ideas about how they might try to counter or thwart the PhotoDNA system.

    It's kinda like how games developers generally don't like talking about how players got detected and banned by automated anti-cheat systems built into the developers games, such details could inadvertently give certain folks a way to more easily create exploits to bypass those anti-cheat systems.

    The chances of false positives should be fairly minimal in theory, but as long as PhotoDNA has a decently working manual review system to back it up then that should mitigate the false positive issue. The same should also apply for any case of an actually illegal image being missed by PhotoDNA. But it naturally all depends on how well the system was coded and how well any backup manual review process also works, none of which any of us are going to know about.


    Quote Originally Posted by mike=)). View Post
    Does this mean that every account holder will have to through every single image just in case microshite decides that one or other image is breaking the new rule?
    Pretty much yes.

    Given the highly questionable history of the underage non-nude modelling industry for example, and the increasingly negative public opinion of that particular industry, I wouldn't be at all surprised if some/most of the material from that industry was already listed somewhere on the PhotoDNA database of image hashes, alongside hashes of all of the more obvious very highly illegal material that has been discovered by law enforcement over the years.

    So yes, everyone who stores imagery online with any imagehost, filehost, or other cloud-based storage site, needs to start doing some housekeeping of their collection, because if imx have been requested to use PhotoDNA, you can bet your ass that all the other hosts out there have likely already been, or will be fairly soon, similarly instructed.

    Where this whole thing has the potential to be the start of a very slippery slope though is that it doesn't just affect peoples porn collections; instead it has the potential to literally affect any and all imagery uploaded to a host or cloud-storage service, whether it's family photos, holiday pics, or whatever it might be, if it's saved somewhere online it likely will eventually get scanned and/or reviewed by this system at some point, if it hasn't already.

    Because of course PhotoDNA is a mostly automated computer system, and like most automated computer systems, it's only as good as the humans that coded it and the human manual review process that backs it up, and if those humans turn out to be lazy, inept, and/or just plain corrupt then all bets are basically off.


    Quote Originally Posted by mike=)). View Post
    Does this mean that sets of models allowed on VG and posted in imx.to may be considered as U18 by microshite?
    If it's content from the larger, more popular, and more well known adult sites and networks who have a history of (mostly) playing by the rules then things should be okay; and given that VG is now almost entirely 18+, that is apparently apart from the Celebrity boards (which honestly makes/made no fucking sense at all, at this point VG should mitigate any risk by being entirely 18+ across the site - no exceptions) then in theory there shouldn't be anything linked to on here that should fall foul of the PhotoDNA system.

    Except I can already think of maybe a few examples where the staff on here are probably going to need/want to take a closer look across the site to see if certain content is (still) on here somewhere, and then make a decision about whether to keep or remove that content - obviously not going to mention any examples here in what is a very public conversation - but staff are welcome to PM me, although I'm sure they can already guess some of the content I have in mind.


    Quote Originally Posted by Daybreak View Post
    But if I upload new U18 material, that was never seen before, will they find it?
    Yes, yes they will. Depending on the imagery involved, the AI side of the PhotoDNA system will potentially detect and flag it for manual review, and then it'd be up to a human to decide if the imagery is actually okay or not.


    Quote Originally Posted by mike=)). View Post
    They will use artificial intelligence.
    The whole PhotoDNA system is apparently based on a combination of AI tech to autodetect and flag potential matches to the existing database of image hashes, and a system of different groups of human reviewers (mostly law enforcement agencies and tech platforms) to sanity check flagged matches and results and/or to manually add additional image hashes to the database upon discovery and confirmation of an images illegal status.


    Quote Originally Posted by mike=)). View Post
    But look on the bright side. "Payout requests for accounts with U18 material will be manually reviewed". How do they know your account may have U18 material if they don't review it first? So they must review everything. As I understand it, do not request a payout if you don't want a review.
    If the hosts are being... mandated... to use the PhotoDNA system, that mandate will almost certainly require them to actively scan both all existing uploads AND all future upload attempts going forward, so whether you request your affiliate payment or not, your images WILL almost certainly be getting scanned and reviewed.


    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWorks View Post
    Hi, I discovered yesterday that you get this when you download from IMX. See picture. Am I the only one getting this? I haven't had a problem with this before. This arrived yesterday. Tools - PaleMoon and latest IHG.
    Set IHG to no more than 2 concurrent connections - the default setting will be quite a bit higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurkio View Post
    Set IHG to no more than 2 concurrent connections - the default setting will be quite a bit higher.
    Thanks for the reply. I've had this since the fix was discovered. The problem occurred yesterday and then not in all downloads. There are certain image loads that this happens. Especially during the BangBros series.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWorks View Post
    There are certain image loads that this happens. Especially during the BangBros series.
    If it's only occuring with certain posts/threads, take a look at the links in an affected post/thread and manually test that they open to the imx landing page first where you'd normally have to click the link/button to then show the actual image.

    Sometimes (fortunately very rarely) people on here post thumbnails and then attach the direct links to the image on the imagehosts server rather than copying the full link as generated by the imagehost during upload, this immediately breaks most image downloader apps that are normally set up to expect a host site to work in a particular way and stops the set from downloading as expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWorks View Post
    Thanks for the reply. I've had this since the fix was discovered. The problem occurred yesterday and then not in all downloads. There are certain image loads that this happens. Especially during the BangBros series.

    There are 400+ images. Generally, you receive the first 100 requests for free as a "burst" and the requests after that are often limited to 25/sec or so until a window of X minutes has passed. That'd explain why you can rip sets with fewer images without issues and any higher quantity sets trigger the throttle. Ripping tools should be able to catch 429 status codes and adjust accordingly. But that depends on the developer.

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    Re: IMX.to - support

    A video from Microsoft, the developer of PhotoDNA about how it works. This video was released on 2010...

    Imagine how that thing is like now with the dazzling developments in the technology area for the last 13 years.


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